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procedures and stop doing business as usual, right? so the demilitarization of communities, really supporting young people in terms of bringing about quality education reform. making sure that there's jobs for folks in communities. so all of those pieces for years and years, we can see systemic change and we've had that support happen. >> thank you for being with me. i appreciate it. sorry to put you on the spot. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@this hour with berman and michaela" starts now. >> good morning, i'm michaela pereira. >> and i'm john berman. we begin with breaking news out of ferguson, missouri, michael brown's stepfather is being investigated by the ferguson police department for possibly inciting a riot. >> let's look at the video at the center of this latest news. it was taken moments after the
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announcement that officer darren wilson would not be indicted in the death of michael brown. michael brown's mother, you can see her right there, was speaking to a crowd of supporters. she began sobbing and then this. look. >> burn this bitch down! burn this bitch down! burn this bitch down! burn this bitch down! >> "burn this down is wh" is wh louis brown said. repeatedly. let's go to ed lavandera. ed, the stepfather is being investigated but what's the latest? >> no charges have been filed. we're told by the police chief in the city of ferguson police
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department that they are looking into this as an investigation, a formal investigation at this point and that the police investigators have spoken with friends of michael brown's stepfather but that no charges have been filed yet and interestingly enough, ben crump, the attorney for michael brown's parents, were asked about if they were -- if he was concerned about any possible charges stemming from this last night and they said -- and attorney crump said that they were not concerned about it, that this was something said in the heat of the moment and that it was an emotional reaction. but that he should not be condoned for it. >> and that's an important distinction to be made there. i think a lot of people are wondering, ed, and maybe you're getting a sense of it on the ground what folks are saying, this is a community that's very much in need of healing right now, how on earth is this going to help the mending of relations with police? >> i think news of this is just trickling around. it's hard to imagine how this
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will go over well. and i think what a lot of people will point to is those comments were made outside of the police department here in ferguson and that's where some of the first police cars were set on fire and that sort of thing. but the stretch of road where most of the fires were set and the looting and rioting exploded was about a mile away and that was happenings moments -- basically around the same time those comments were being made. so i think people might point the fact that, you know, his stepfather made those comments in a completely different area. it's hard to imagine that the people who were in the other area of town where the rioting and the looting was taking place which i happened to be at as well and once aware of the comments his stepfather was at, that might play into this situation as well. but there have been calls from a great number of people who have seen that video, from the lieutenant governor of the state in missouri who has wondered if
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that investigation should be formally launched as well, and clearly it has this morning. >> we'll watch to see what is the result of that investigation. ed lavandera, thanks so much for that. the outrage in ferguson has prompted the president to make ending racial profiling the number one issue on the doe megs i can agenda. the president is vowing to use his last two years in office to address what is 1 calling the simmering distrust between police and authorities. >> there have been commissions, task forces, conversations, and nothing happens. what i try to describe to people is why this will be different and part of the reason this time will be different is because the president of the united states is deeply invested in making sure that this time is different. >> the president's plan includes tightening standards on military style equipment purchased by police department, also creating
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what a task force on 21st century policing. we'll look at some ways police departments have improved community relations and make those efforts national. the president plans to provide about $75 million for police officers to wear body cameras. >> attorney general ache holder says he will announce rigorous new standards for federal law enforcement. >> we are dealing with concerns that are truly national in scope and that threaten the entire nati nation. the justice department's investigation into the shooting death of michael brown as well as our investigation into allegations of unconstitutional policing patterns or practices by the ferguson police department remain ongoing and remain active. [ cheers and applause ] >> the president says it's ready for discussion. they say the goal is to make things better. >> we are joined by two people in there that very meeting at
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the white house with the president. michael skoel nick is editor of global grind.com. judith brown is the co-director of the advancement project. i'm so glad you could join us today off this meeting. i want to get your reaction, michael. i'll start with you. i know you spent a lot of time with michael brown's mother in conversati conversation, putting your heads together, comforting her. i'm sure your curious about this news that her husband is being investigated from the comments he made after the announcement not to indict darren wilson was made. what's your reaction to that? >> the first image i saw of this tragedy was that gentleman holding a cardboard sign handwritten saying "a cop killed my unarmed son." before we saw the body of his son in the street for four and a half hours, i saw a photograph online on twitter of him holding a sign. 100 plus days later, the state still did not protect him and his family. that was raw emotion. the fact that police are investigating that he incited a
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riot after 110 people protesting the state to at least indict this police officer is ludicrous. >> i mean, look, let me just say this. how do you interpret his statements as anything other than a call to be -- a call for action at that moment. he said "burn this blank down. burn this blank down." i'm not saying charges should be filed. but it did happen. >> but did that incite a riot? that raw emotion, that reaction to an indictment by the prosecutor, what happened in wes florissant is different than what happened on south florissant which is about ten minutes away. so where the burning and looting occurred was not even near where he was. so the fact that you would then interpret that, if the police want to investigate michael brown, jr.,'s stepfather for inciting a riot you'll start all over again. >> that's the concern. some headway is starting to be made. this conversation that was held
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yesterday, you were a part of it, judith, you were there with the president, gathering leaders, gathering law enforcement. i'm curious what your reaction is to that meeting. i think people are wondering was it just talk or do you feel there was substantive action planned? >> first, thanks for having me. i think most important part of the day i spent most of that day with young leaders from ferguson, florida, ohio, and new york at the white house and with eight young people who met with the president in the oval office to talk about policing in their communities. and this was an opportunity for them to talk about their daily lives. how they are harassed by the police, how they are criminalized by the police unnecessarily. what it feels like to be in a community where the people who are supposed to protect you are the people you feel you need
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protection from. so that was a really important moment for this movement of young people around the country who know that ferguson is everywhere. and i think that the president's statements showed that he is committed to making a change. and now this movement has to keep moving to get them to action. >> michael, i was reading your tweets yesterday and i know you were impressed by the listening that went on during these meetings. when does listening need to go beyond conversation and turn into action and what kind of actual action at the federal level do you want to see? >> well, i think to my good friend judith who was there is that the president listened to young people and the folks in the room. he invited folks from ferguson, from ohio to sit there and talk to him and he talked about action. he said he's going to put $263 million into a federal program to buy body cameras, to train police officers in deescalation tactics and implicit and explicit biases. he's asking for 50,000 body
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cameras across the country and last night we saw the mayor of atlanta already going into the program saying he will use atlanta as a pilot program for body cameras. so hands up united, lost voices, organization for black struggle have been doing this work for over 100 days, these have been their demands, they've been asking for accountability for the police and the president listened to them and now he's taking action. my ear piece is killing me. >> it's trying to jump on you're. i appreciate you staying solid on that point. i think there will be some that will say, judith, body cameras, you can make changes to funding certain programs. all of these changes may happen with the support of the president with the sweep of a pen can make some changes but you can't necessarily change attitudes and misconceptions. how do we start there? >> well, part of it is that the federal government actually has a lot of power through purse strings. and part of what they're going to be doing is looking at training. we have to have double-down on training for police officers on
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excessive use of force which many police departments only get in the the academy and never again after that. the federal government can do that. also the, the federal government has the ability to take money away through the civil rights act of 1964 so i think that will happen but we have to look at the local level. this is not about the individual bad officers but this is a systemic problem throughout the country and i think that we have to come together as america to understand that there is a problem, there is a difference of perceptions and communities of color feel like they are under attack and that's the hard work before us. >> judith brown, michael skolnik, thanks for joining us today. >> thank you. also new at this hour, cnn has learned who is likely to be the president's pick to be the
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barbara starr at the pentagon. also joining us is peter brooks, senior fellow of national security affairs at the heritage foundation. barbara, i think it's safe to say ash carter is not necessarily the president's first choice to be defense secretary, but he is a pentagon insider. how will this nomination will received? >> i think very well by military and by the pentagon leadership. well known around here until late last year he served as hagel's deputy. he has been the top weapons buyer here at the pentagon. he knows how billions of dollars of taxpayer money is spent and with budget cuts coming potentially from congress he will be on the hot seat to figure out what is cut, what is kept. he's someone who is likely to get readily easily confirmed by the republican-led senate arms services committee. they know him. he shouldn't run into any particular problems. perhaps the biggest question, though, you know, hagel was pushed out because the administration, the white house
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said it was time to transition to new leadership. is ash carter really new leadership? probably not. and a big question about whether the white house really wants that. you hear an awful lot about micromanagement from the national security council from the president, will a new secretary of defense offer new ideas? will he will listened to? will the white house even want to hear new ideas or is it basically full steam ahead with what the status quo is for the next 18 months or so. >> interesting thought. peter, let's bring you into the conversation. this is also coming at a time when the u.s. is facing a fair amount of strife, it's safe to say, in the middle east. he definitely is facing his share of challenges if he were to be put in this position if he gets confirmation. what's your reaction to it all? >> well, i think the senate is certainly going to bring up obama's policies. i mean, you're replacing -- as i wrote last week, i mean, you can
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replace the secretary of defense but the policies are really the problem. i mean, we're facing a war with isis, iraq, syria, afghanistan, violence is up, the rise of china, russia, ukraine, so you can change the head of the pentagon, but if you don't change the policies, the result is not going to be any different. and i think we're facing an unprecedented level of international challenges here and i think part of it is bays of the policies that this administration has pursued and i expect that's what the senate arms services commit see the going to get at in his confirmation hearing. >> barbara, despite his vast experience inside the pentagon itself, not to mention his education, the guy is a rhodes scholar, a ph.d. in theoretical physics which makes him a million times smarter than i am, he never served in the military. that's not unheard of for a defense secretary. >> it's not. and let me throw something in here. really interesting. not only a degree in theoretical physics, not only a rhodes scholar. oddly enough, he has a degree in medieval history.
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ash is really considered -- yeah, very interesting guy. really considered by everyone who knows him to be brilliant intellectually. but also a good -- a good sort of practical hands-on knows how things run. never served in the military. not that unusual. perhaps more unusual was, in fact, chuck hagel's experience as a soldier on the ground walking the patrol during the worst times of the vietnam war. that is something that was very much revered by so many enlisted people currently serving in the military. they felt that hagel really understood what they had been through. but a lot of secretaries of defense have never served. barbara starr, peter brooks, thank you so much, we'll watch to see what happens when the official announcement comes out about the nomination and wait to see if he is confirmed. we'll have more to discuss with you both. thank you. ahead for us right now at this hour. the rams apology or non-apology for the hands-up protest that
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another controversy has come out of ferguson, this one has come out of a fight over an apology. it started with this -- five st. louis rams players taking to the field sunday doing the "hands up, don't shoot jts gesture used by protestors.
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>> a local police officers association said they should not have done that the police chief says the ram's chief operating officer has called to apologize but a spokesman for the rams says there was no apology. i want to bring in our panel to discuss this. liz brown is a column twist in the "st. louis american" and a defense attorney. we're joined by mel robbins, a cnn commentator and legal analyst. mel, i don't think there are any legal issues but why do you think it's so important for this cop to say the rams apologize, and it's important for the rams, at least management, to say we didn't officially apologize? >> well, i think this is a conversation that's gripped the nation and what i take away from this, other than the fact that it was an incredibly powerful image to see a bunch of nfl players in uniform with their hands up is that this is much bigger than just one shooting. this is a conversation about the use of excessive force and the way in which black and brown men in this country are racially profiled and treated differently
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by the police and i think the players have the right to say something like this. they wear pink to promote breast cancer awareness, they write the names of people on their shoes like trayvon martin was written on the names of shoes of nfl players and the clippers in the nba, they had a silent protest over donald sterling's racial comments. and, you know, i think what's been problematic about this story, guys, and i know you feel it is if you say anything in support of investigating excessive force you are a cop hater. if you say anything in support of officer wilson or you support police because the police are very necessary in this daunt country and most of them are remarkable young men and women, then you're racist. and that's a problem. >> she's been reading my twitter feed. [ laughter ] >> well, i just see this as indicative of the fact that we want to put each other in buckets and say if you have a problem with what happened, you hate the cops, but if you don't have a problem with what happened you're racist.
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so i just -- that's troubling to me. >> there's so many aspects about this and, liz, let's talk to you because goodness knows you're on the ground there getting a sense of what people are saying and how the reaction to the apology, non-apology, the hands up don't shoot gesture at the game, how that went over. it makes me wonder if there's a sense that, you know, this was a tone-deaf kind of comment. and stands to be having at a time when healing is supposed to be the job one. >> well, i really think that we need to have a larger discussion about what the rams organization, what the rams players are being asked to apologize for. what is it that they did that was something that was worthy of an apology. and i think that you also have -- we also have to analyze it from the fury of this police officers' association. a largely white association, i would add. in fact, in st. louis we have two different police officers'
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association, an african-american police officers' association, the ethical society, and the white -- the largely white police officers' association. and the rage that was expressed by the head of this white police officers' association is stunning. and you have to ask as a citizen, as an observer, if you're this angry about players holding their hands up in a free nation, how do you respond to people on the ground, citizens on the ground, who hold their hands up? what do they receive from you? what kind of treatment do those people receive from this police department? where does your fury about this come from? i don't understand. except to say that you feel somehow that you should be able to tell people, certain people, how they are supposed to act. i don't understand. this is a deep and almost ancient rage that's being directed at these football players. >> mel, quickly, i want to get one question in on the news we just heard 30 minutes ago that
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the police force in ferguson is investigating louis head, the stepfather of michael brown, for possibly inciting a riot for his actions, what he shout it had night the grand jury decision was announced. he kept saying "burn this bitch" down. that's the words he used. what does the law say about inciting a riot? >> well, if you want to check it out, if you look at section 574 of the missouri criminal code it covers everything from disorderly conduct to rioting. it's a class a misdemeanor if you have certain facts. here's the deal. there's two ways to look at this. one is the law. can they make out a case here? on the facts, it could be problematic for the stepfather. he is clearly stating what he hopes people do and then on the other hand you see people in that vicinity burning police cars. so you could make out a case. however, most of the looting
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happened ten minutes away from where he was so i think causally it's problematic. but then there's a bigger issue, guys. in terms of the law, in terms of what lizz was talking about, the scuffle with the rams, people being upset about the players, is this retaliatory? i know a lot of people saw that and said "wow, he said it so many times." on the other hand, he's a human being that is reacting to horrible news from his point of view. he's caught up in the emotion and if the police were to investigate and guess who would be investigating and deciding whether to charge him? it would be mccullough. you really think that's a good idea right now? i certainly don't. >> mel robbins, we appreciate your joining us today. lizz brown, as always, great to have you both with us. thank you so much. we have more to talk about with you coming up. stay with us. >> first, though, a quick mention. after nights of protest, so much of ferguson was left in ruins, buildings burned down.
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a grand jury deciding the fate of white police officer accused of killing a black man. we're not talking about ferguson. >> don't touch me. do not touch me. >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> damn, man. we're talking about the issue of the death of eric garner in new york. this confrontation happened in july. officers stopped garner on
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suspicion of selling untaxed cigarettes. garner refused to be handcuffed. one officer put him in what appears to be a choke hold. it's not illegal but it is banned under nypd rules. >> well, that officer testified before the grand jury late last month. the panel's decision on whether or not he'll face criminal charges, that could come any time now. boy, this seems familiar, doesn't it. alexandra field and pell robbins are back with us. alexandra, give us an update on where things stand now. what's the latest you can tell us. >> they've been hearing this case since september. we should hear the decision this week and you were talking about the video where eric garner die that was confrontation with police. at one point he throws his hands up in the video. at another point he tells them not to touch him but he is forced to the ground, you see an officer on top of him with an arm around him. again you point out that the choke hold is barred by the nypd. they don't know, we presume, they didn't know, that garner was asthmatic and you hear him say at least twice in that video
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that he can't breathe. police after that said that he died of a heart attack on his way to the hospital. but we know that medical examiner ruled that this was a homicide caused in part by a choke hold. officer daniel pant leo put on modified duty, stripped of his gun and badge. now police are turning their attention to how you respond after we hear at announcement hear. they have been trying to determine how they can coordinate because this is a case that has sparked demonstrations. they don't want to see things get out of hand. >> mel, what we have in this case is something that did not exist in ferguson. there is this full complete video that captures so much on camera, not just this man having a hard time breathing but it also captures him, cops will tell you, resisting arrest. so what kind of difference will this make inside a grand jury? >> i think it will make all the difference. we have one more thing, john. we have a procedure by the police that's been banned that's
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clearly being used in that video. that will make a big difference to the grand jury, too. >> do you think they will be suede by eric garner resisting arrest? will that matter to a grand jury? we've seen how the grand jury reacts to police testimony and procedure in ferguson. will will happen in staten island? >> i think that does matter to people, particularly in a town like staten island or a borough like staten island where it's a very, very pro-police community. however, john, we're talking about a guy that was stopped for suspicion of selling illegal cigarettes. does it really, really require six police officers and somebody putting him in a choke hold and them not easing up as he's complaining he can't breathe? so you have a video record of it and an illegal police procedure being use which had i believe will tip the scales toward an indictment of this officer not
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for first degree murder but certainly for something related to excessive force. >> mel robbins, alexandra field, we'll await that grand jury decision in the case of eric garner. thanks so much for joining us. ahead for us at this hour. the calendar might not say it, but it is 2016. at least in terms of presidential politics. and you will never guess who is in second place right now in a brand new poll in the republican presidential field. it's a big surprise. stay with us. everyone has questions about money. you know, i think about money kind of a lot. -money's freedom. -money's always on my mind. credit cards. -mortgage. -debt. it's complicated. it's not easy. i'm not a good budgeter. unfortunately, i'm a spender. i would love to learn more about finances. so there's questions about the world that all of us have, especially about money and finance. the goal of khan academy and better money habits and the partnership we're doing with bank of america is to give people the tools they need to empower themselves.
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>> on sunday, a judge cleared the huang's of any crime but immigration officials seized their passports and would not let them leave. the order to keep them in the country was lifted after meetings between the united states ambassador to the country and top officials there. hopefully they will be getting out. good, good news. a brand new cnn poll has people talking this morning. the surprise is not who is leading the field of republican presidential contenders but who is in second. >> check this out. the name at the top, you've seen it before, that's mitt romney, 20% in the new cnn/orc poll say they support the former massachusetts governor for president again. and who is it? wait, second, ben carson, an african-american retired neurosurgeon who has never held office. he's in second place. carson regularly makes the rounds on conservative radio and television. only after carson do you see former florida governor jeb bush
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and then new jersey governor chris christie. bush said just last night he'll decide in "short order" whether or not he'll make a run for the white house. >> joining us to talk about this, sally kohn and doug heye. nevertheless, jeb bush's name appears second on the list and there are big names that appear beneath his name. is that a big surprise to see ben carson doing so well? >> right now not really. to use an example, a lot of people thought the new orleans saints would win the nfc championship, which is a primary. and might win the super bowl, which is the general. but pre-season polling and precampaign polls, they're interesting to talk about but they don't really matter until the players get on the field and we see how they react to the game. we don't have anybody who's announced they're going to run and until people start campaigning i don't think we have any sense on how anybody will do in specific states. >> it does make for interesting television fodder at this hour.
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sally, you came in here -- >> it sure does! >> -- guns blazing. go ahead. >> you have to love that according to at least this poll the number-two choice of republicans to run for president is the guy who just recently blamed all the protests in ferguson on the women's lib movement. by the way, i love that it's women's lib movement. he didn't even say feminism. he went all like 1963 with that one. really up to date there. what the poll actually does reflect, which ever names you sort around, is the trouble that any moderate, sensible candidate is going to have getting through a republican primary. when you have 10% this far out, 10% supporting largely unknown nationally figure like ben carson who is known for his very outside-the-mainstream views on obamacare and more, that really portends some problems for republicans. we're hoping to get a candidate through the primary process who could then in turn by b elected by the majority of americans. good luck with that. >> doug, i imagine you have a
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very different view of what makes for a sensible republican presidential candidate. but jeb bush said something very, very interesting last night. he essentially said a republican primary candidate has to be willing to lose a primary to win a general election. to paraphrase there, i think what he's trying to say is you have to take brave stands in a republican primary, stands that may not be popular with the conservative base if you want to appeal to the count country. what do you make of those comments? >> sometimes you have to take a step backwards and be strategic to move forward. it's something we tried to do in the house of representatives over the past of couple years, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. but jeb bush is somebody who can be a strong candidate for us, we know he can raise a lot of money. we know he knows how to run a government but also significantly as we talk about immigration over these past couple weeks, swreb bush is somebody who's tried to expand the republican party in florida, he's fluent in spanish. that will be an important voice for republicans to have moving forward, regardless of whether
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he wins or not. >> let's talk about the democrats, sally. in our poll, if clinton decides that -- hillary clinton decides not to run, the next in line at 41%, vice president joe biden. >> oh, joe biden. poor joe biden. it's so hard being second, you know? look, i mean, this is all a waiting game for the democrats. this is an interest phenomenon where if hillary doesn't run democrats are, in fact, scrambling because -- in part because so much of the momentum is behind her, so much of the infrastructure is behind her. it's just a fwhaenbench that is sitting back and waiting. everybody is benched because they're waiting. the other thing is the pairings. the reality is republicans are scared because they know hillary clinton is, in fact, a very hard candidate to beat. the flip side to that, and i'll agree with doug, is you know jeb bush would make a very good contender against hillary clinton. rand paul would make a strong contender against hillary clinton.
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are they going to get through the primary? no. whereas at least the differences, at least with 2 democratic bench, if hillary doesn't run, you know there will be a primary where it's for better or worse trending towards main stleem views, pushing toward a moderate centrist democrat and they'll get a hillary light coming out of the process who can win an election. that's what democrats do. can you tell what an enthusiastic democrat i am today? >> sally kohn, great to see you. doug heye, always a pressure to have you with us. >> thank you. more than a dozen women are claiming comedian bill cosby sexually assaulted them. ahead at this hour, you'll hear from three victims who spoke together for the first time. ♪ ♪
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this just in to cnn. you're looking at live pictures right now of downtown detroit where a power outage has affected a whole lot of people. public buildings have lost their power. major buildings in that downtown area. >> we're told its pretty widespread, the outage there. they don't know the cause of it. they're declaring a half day for the students in detroit public schools because they have no power. it is affecting some 87 schools on the d.t.e. grid. major blackout hitting downtown detroit. no reason why at this point. >> it is interesting. it's hitting the public buildings, not homes. a lot of public buildings, a lot of schools, which means a whole lot of people being affected by this. we'll keep you updated as we learn information throughout the morning.
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we want to turn to an extraordinary meeting that happened a short time ago right here at cnn. three women who had never met before but all with something in common. they each claim that bill cosby sexually assaulted them. i want to show you what happened after their interview with my colleague, allison cammer ata. >> they're three of the now 17 women who have gone public with similar claims about cosby. the comedian's either denied or declined to address the specific allegations. alison joins us now to talk about this interesting meeting there. what struck you? >> they had never met before but they seemed like old friends from the minute they saw each other. it was very emotional. they were crying and hugging each other. from the moment jewel came out
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and started hugging them, she kept repeating to herself over and over almost like a mantra, she kept saying, it stops now, it stops now, it stops now. i asked what that meant. and she said, the pain stops now and the healing begins now. here's the rest of their very first meeting. >> women have -- we have a history globally of being punished severely and penalized for speaking out. >> and all of you at one time or another were told, keep this quiet, it will ruin your career, don't mention anything. >> absolutely. >> that was the premise of what went down. >> and i know that now you all want -- >> and feared for our lives, too. >> what does that mean? >> i was afraid for my life. i was looked at directly in the eye by bill cosby and said, i had better never, ever see your face or hear your name again. and i listened. >> and, barbara, what do you want to have happen now? we've talked about the statute of limitations and you want that
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to be changed. what's the action you want to take now? >> i'm not really sure. i'm just looking at some of the options that i do have. so much has unfolded since this began. >> a mere three weeks ago. >> a mere three weeks ago, yes. >> victoria, what do you want to hear bill cosby say? >> well, i think an apology would be a joke, frankly. i would love to hear him grovel in front of the cameras. but i wouldn't believe it for a minute. i think it would just be a desperate move for public -- >> sympathy? >> sympathy and to salvage what's left of his career. >> three very different women with different lives but a similar reason for coming forward.
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afterwards, they talked to us the about more women reaching out to them, too. >> yes, they all say that they individually know more women who are on the fence about coming forward. but it's interesting, they do have different lives but they have an eerily similar story. they all allege that he drugged them and then he sexually assaulted them. there was a pattern, they say. for the first time when they shared their stories, it was very powerful for them to know they weren't alone. >> i wonder if they wish they had a chance to meet up over the years. there was that civil case where some were named. probably it would have been therapeutic for them to have that conversation. >> but now that they're having it, it is therapeutic. they were saying things like, the truth will set us free. when i last saw them, they were arm in arm going to breakfast this morning. it feels to me this is the start of a groundswell and they will stay in touch. >> victoria says she's been carrying this secret around for
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